Pusha T Says Cryptic 'So Appalled' Verse Is 'Self-Explanatory'

Pusha T has been getting plenty of mainstream recognition lately thanks to his G.O.O.D. Music co-sign and standout guest appearances on Kanye West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.

When the younger half of Virginia rhyme duo the Clipse dropped by "Rap Fix Live" on Thursday, he opened up about trips to Hawaii to craft "Runaway" with 'Ye, but he also talked about brother and rhyme partner Malice as well as his incarcerated former manager.

"Everybody knows that we've been through the wringer as far as the whole music and the whole street situation," Pusha said. "Our family, our management, our friends. I lost five of my closest friends in '09; like 30 years, 15 years [in prison] or better. A lot of what you see me doing right now is just so that none of that goes in vain, [like], I'mma show y'all that this is not in vain."

Pusha's onetime manager Anthony "Geezy" Gonzalez, was charged in 2009 with leading a $10 million drug-trafficking ring and sentenced to 32 years in prison.

Asked whether a lyric from West's "So Appalled" ("I speak of gospel, hostile/ Tony doing time for what he did to nostrils") referred to Gonzalez, Pusha, who has typically been guarded about his ex-manager in the press, would only say, "That's self-explanatory."

According to Pusha, it was the instrumental for "So Appalled" that inspired him to deliver such a spirited verse. "It's Kanye, the beat brings the ghost out of you," he said.

The Virgina MC gave an update about Malice, who he said has been busy preparing for the release of his memoir, "Wretched, Pitiful, Poor, Blind, and Naked," with a provocative series of vlogs that include excerpts from the book.

"People always say the dichotomy of the Clipse is, I'm the more brash one and Malice is the more introspective one, and [those are] the roles we play in the group," Pusha explained. "But when you take Malice out of the group and you sit him down and he talks to you, well, writing to you in this book, it's not rhyming, it's just these are his words, these are his thoughts, these are his experiences. I think people are going to be blown away by this guy's mind."